Thursday, September 14, 2006

Act 2 questions continued...

List your questions that we did not finish discussing over Act 2 and help each other understand. Let's be a collaborative force to help each other gain knowledge and understanding!

37 Comments:

Blogger kjerstinl said...

I'm not quite sure if I understand this quote by Lady Macbeth:
"I laid their daggers ready;
He could not miss 'em. Had he not resembled
My father as he slept, I had done't."

Thu Sep 14, 02:59:00 PM  
Blogger paigen said...

Kjerstin, I am not to incredibly sure, but I think it means that she was going to kill him, but since he looked like her father, she couldn't kill him so she saved the daggers for Macbeth.

Thu Sep 14, 03:33:00 PM  
Blogger Sarah C said...

My questions are:
1.One cried 'God bless us!' and 'Amen' the other;
As they had seen me with these hangman's hands.
Listening their fear, I could not say 'Amen,'
When they did say 'God bless us!'
-Why couldn't he say "amen"? I don't understand.
2.Infirm of purpose!
Give me the daggers: the sleeping and the dead
Are but as pictures: 'tis the eye of childhood
That fears a painted devil. If he do bleed,
I'll gild the faces of the grooms withal;
For it must seem their guilt.
-what does Lady Macbeth mean in this quote?

Thu Sep 14, 04:15:00 PM  
Blogger kjerstinl said...

Sarah, for you question #1, I believe that he couldn't say amen because he was ashamed for what he did to the king. For question #2, I have no idea, good question!

Thu Sep 14, 04:48:00 PM  
Blogger shaunam said...

Sarah, for your second question I think that they mean that Lady Macbeth really wants the guards to seem guilty and she doesn't think that Macbeth can do it by himself.

And to add on to the first question that Kjerstin answered, I think that Macbeth felt ashamed and very guilty about the treason that he had just preformed because he broke a very strong trust and if he is caught there could be really serious consequenses.

Thu Sep 14, 05:29:00 PM  
Blogger shaunam said...

Just to get things cleared are Malcolm, Donaldbain and Angus all just soilders that are fighting for the king?

Thu Sep 14, 05:35:00 PM  
Blogger elyse h said...

Shauna i think Malcolm and Donalbain are the kings sons and i have no idea who Angus is.

I'm just confused about this quote by Donalbain, "There's daggers in men's smiles: the near in blood,
The nearer bloody."
I understand the dagger part, but not the blood part.

Thu Sep 14, 05:52:00 PM  
Blogger shaunam said...

I found this quote and I didn't know what it meant:
"My hands are of your color, but I shame
To wear a heart so white."
Lady Macbeth says it and even though she couldn't commit the murder herself, she put on the evil mask again and so it means that she is telling Macbeth that her hands are bloody as his but since he regrets it, she said that she would be ashamed if she was as weak as him. It doesn't make sense because she didn't commit the crime!
If somebody thinks that it means something different please let me know!

Thu Sep 14, 05:56:00 PM  
Blogger shaunam said...

I found this quote and I didn't know what it meant:
"My hands are of your color, but I shame
To wear a heart so white."
Lady Macbeth says it and even though she couldn't commit the murder herself, she put on the evil mask again and so it means that she is telling Macbeth that her hands are bloody as his but since he regrets it, she said that she would be ashamed if she was as weak as him. It doesn't make sense because she didn't commit the crime!
If somebody thinks that it means something different please let me know!

Thu Sep 14, 05:56:00 PM  
Blogger EmilyL said...

This comment is in response to Elyse H's question.
In Donalbain's quote, there are two essential parts. One is the first part that you did not mention, the part of about fleeing to Ireland. This shows that Donalbain and Malcolm are scared for their lives.
Your part of his quote shows why. "There's daggers in men's smiles: the near in blood, The nearer bloody.” When he talks about daggers, he is talking about people that look nice but intend to kill. The second part "the near in blood refers to the fact that Malcolm and Donalbain are logically next in line to be killed because they are the heirs to the throne & Duncan's sons. The last part the nearer bloody refers to the fact again they are next in line to be killed.
I hope this helps.

Thu Sep 14, 07:11:00 PM  
Blogger ADRIANA G said...

Elyse, I think that the blood quote might have meant that the closer they are related to the king, "the near in blood," the more likely it is that they too will be murdered("the nearer bloody").

Shauna, I was a little confused about that quote too. I thought maybe that LAdy Macbeth was saying they are both equally guilty and that she had the courage to plan and execute part of the murder, but she is ashamed that she did not kill Duncan herself. The only problem with my interpretation is that it doesn't seem like she would admit her weakness to Macbeth. The quote kind of reminds me of when MAcbeth said that the "murderers" were, "steeped in the color of their trade.

I have a question too. Macbeth claimed that he killed the guards. When does he claim too have done this? Macduff went in to the King's room first, if the guards were there, why didn't he see them dead. Macbeth and Lennox both left at the same time, and I thought they were going to the King's room. Why didn't people see the servants dead before Macbeth said he killed them in fury?

It seems like there is a lot of suspicion. Some people suspect the sons, some don't. Won't it just be a matter of time until Macbeth is accused? Some might already suspect him. I'm also wondering if Malcolm and Donalbain will turn on each other. If everyone starts fighting, won't that be what the witches wanted? Does anyone else have an opinion about this?
At the end of the act, Macduff says, "Well, may you see things well done there. Adieu, Lest our old robes sit easier than our new!" I think it means he is worried Macbeth will not be as good a king, or that he won't treat them well. Why are they so worried about him when he was a general and had Duncan's complete trust. Maybe it has something to do with his violent side.

Thu Sep 14, 07:30:00 PM  
Blogger Mphair said...

Sarah C, and all others wondering about her second quesion:

I believe that I found an answer (mostly) for that question. My personal translation will be in al caps...

2.Infirm of purpose!I WILL DO MY BEST!!!
Give me the daggers:I BELIEVE THAT THIS LINE IS SIMPLY, "LET ME HAVE THE DAGGERS"

the sleeping and the dead
Are but as pictures:THOSE WHO ARE DEAD AND THOSE WHO ARE SLEEPING LOOK LIKE THEY CAME OUT OF A PAINTING, IN MY MIND. *RANDOM THOUGHT--IS THIS LIKE SLEEPING BEAUTY???*

'tis the eye of childhood
That fears a painted devil. POINT A: A PAINTED DEVIL...RATHER LIKE APPEARANCE VS. REALITY, AGAIN. POINT B: ONLY LITTLE, INOCENT, IMAGINATIVE CHILDREN BELIEVE EVIL IN STRANGERS (DON'T TALK TO STRANGERS, STRANGERS ARE BAD---DID YOU HEAR THIS WHEN YOU WERE LITTLE? I DID.

If he do bleed, I believe THAT THIS IS REFERING TO THE KING...*CATCH IMPHISIS ON "BELIEVE"*

I'll gild the faces of the grooms withal;
For it must seem their guilt.I THINK SHE IS MEANING THAT THE GROOMS, OR RATHER GUARDS, MUST SEEM TO BE AT FAULT, THEN SHE AND MACBETH WON'T BE QUESTIONED AS HARD OR HAVE AS MUCH SUSPICION ON THEM...


So, I hope that helped, at least kind of, enough to put a new light on it.

Thu Sep 14, 07:35:00 PM  
Blogger tanal said...

Shauna to add on to your question about the soldiers, i am pretty sure that, Lenox, Angus and Ross are the king's soldiers and Donaldbain and Malcolm are King Duncan's sons.

And for my question i know we sort of discused this quote in class but i still don't really get what it means. it is, "the multitudinous seas in incarnadine."

Thu Sep 14, 07:36:00 PM  
Blogger tomr said...

I was confused about that as well, Shauna. Perhaps Lady Macbeth is being falsely sympathetic, saying she wishes she felt guiltier, because she contributed to Duncan's death just as much as Macbeth?

Thu Sep 14, 07:41:00 PM  
Blogger Mphair said...

Tanal-- I don't know what to say on this one...where exactly in the script is it??

Any way, I know that I have a tendency to write long essay type things, so it really means a lot when I go back and find out that someone actually went to the trouble of reading my thing and commenting on it. Thanks guys!! (I went back and looked at a previous blog...)

Thu Sep 14, 07:42:00 PM  
Blogger kjerstinl said...

Adriana- We really don't know that Macbeth was truly the one who killed Duncan since we weren't there. But about the guards, in scene one of act two, Macbeth says, "Go bid thy mistress, when my drink is ready,
She strike upon the bell. Get thee to bed," to the servant, so I am assuming that he is talking about the poison that Lady Macbeth is making for the guards. Remember, the guards were dead once Macbeth killed Duncan, so they couldn't say anything. If that isn't your question, sorry!

And to support Tana about Donaldblain being a son of Duncan's as well as Malcom, read this part near the end, "Malcolm and Donalbain, the king's two sons,
Are stol'n away and fled." I believe in the beginning of the book they might say who the guards were, so mphair, go ahead and check. Plus, Mrs. Smith said that Lennox, Angus and Ross were guards this morning in class. :)

Thu Sep 14, 07:55:00 PM  
Blogger karib said...

I have one burning question.
WHY ISN'T BANQUO SUSPICIOUS OF MACBETH AND HIS RELATIONSHIP TO DUNCAN'S MURDER? He was there when the prophecy was made, and I assume that he knew his friend well enough to know that he want power and possibly take drastic action to seize it? Is there somewhere in the text that deals with this?

Thu Sep 14, 08:19:00 PM  
Blogger saram said...

I have had the exact same question as karib! I've been wondering why Banquo hasn't said anything. Banquo was there when the prophecy was made and didn't show any interest, but you would think that he noticed that Macbeth showed great interest in the prophecy and that he was totally power hungary. And it seemed to me like Macbeth acted totally different around Banquo and other friends of his after Lady Macbeth and him made the plan to kill Duncan and that he started to 'suck up' and show more interest in the king. Why doesn't Banquo say anything about this? Or why did he not notice any of these suspicious actions?

Thu Sep 14, 08:34:00 PM  
Blogger endsleye said...

I have the exact same quesiton as sarah c! Why couldn't Macbeth say amen when someone said God Bless? And to answer shaunam's questions, Malcolm and Donaldbain are the King's sons that fled. And I think that he meant that even though his hands were bloody from killing the king, his heart was still untouched (white) because he felt no guilt or pain. All my other questions were answered in class!

Thu Sep 14, 08:41:00 PM  
Blogger sarahc said...

Adriana, i think that Macduff only went into the king's chamber, and then when Macbeth and Lenox went into the chamber, Macbeth killed the guards then.
Also, i think that when Macduff is talking about robes, i think he means that he is not going to be an advisor to Macbeth.

Shuana, I think Lady Macbeth means that she is just as much at fault as Macbeth on the murder side of the plot, but she is ashamed to be married to him, or part of the plot, when he refuses to go back to the scene of the crime.

tanal, if it helps, incarnadine means:
1. blood-red; crimson.
2. flesh-colored; pale pink.
Basically, it's just a redish color.
karib, I think Banquo might be suspiscous of Macbeth in the back of his mind, but since they are friends, he might fool himself into thinking that it really was the guards and that Macbeth is telling the truth that he killed the guards in anger.

Thu Sep 14, 08:41:00 PM  
Blogger BenH said...

In response to karib: I bet that banquo either has not quite yet connected the dots or, even more likely he has but does not just want to come out and say "Well, I think Macbeth did it because we met these withces..."

I personally think that he may confront Macbeth and ask for the truth, and then Macbeth may kill him.

The king's two sons are suspected because they left right after his murder. I wonder if this will distract from actually trying to find the killer.

Thu Sep 14, 08:42:00 PM  
Blogger sarahc said...

For anyone who wants to know:
I think Macbeth couldn't say 'Amen' because, like kjerstinl said, he felt ashamed of what he was doing at the time. His conscience stopped him.

Thu Sep 14, 08:45:00 PM  
Blogger sarahc said...

I agree with benh about Macbeth and Banquo. I am not quite sure, but from class I have gotten the impression that Macbeth is destined to killed Banquo in order to become king.

Thu Sep 14, 08:47:00 PM  
Blogger erinl said...

If Lady Macbeth is so power hungry and wants to be queen so bad, then why does she make Macbeth do it. She later on seems to regret haveing the King killed but why is it that she pushed so hard and then wouldn't do it herself?

Thu Sep 14, 09:39:00 PM  
Blogger HannahJ said...

I had a hard time understanding the whole paragraph where Duncan apparently got killed. One second, they were talking about killing him and the next Macbeth had killed him. Would someone mind explaining that paragraph to me?

Thu Sep 14, 10:02:00 PM  
Blogger tanal said...

Hey guys thanks for a clearer understanding it is very much appreciated!! :)

Thu Sep 14, 10:02:00 PM  
Blogger briang said...

I agree with Ben. I think Banquo is either putting the pieces of the puzzle together and figuring it out that Macbeth has killed him or he already knows and does not want to come out and say so. Banquo was in Act II, but he hardly said anything other than at the very beginning when he said he could not sleep. I too believe Macbeth will eventually kill Banquo, whether it will be when Banquo confronts him or not I have no idea.

Also, I’m not quite sure who said this earlier, but someone asked how or when Macbeth killed the guards. kjerstinl said, “We really don't know that Macbeth was truly the one who killed Duncan since we weren't there.” I’m sorry kjerstinl, but I totally disagree with your answer to this question. Macbeth did kill Duncan, we know because he brought back the bloody daggers to his room where Lady Macbeth was. And we weren’t there to read about the killing, but he did kill him. Also, they killed the guards with poison but then; Macbeth went back and smeared blood all over the guards.

My two questions are what does the quote "the multitudinous seas in incarnadine” mean? Not just what does it mean but also, Smith said this was a very famous line or something right? Why is that? My other question is why is Banquo so quite? I want to know his thoughts. As i said earlier, I think he is figuring it out, but what is he really doing? Thinking?

Thu Sep 14, 10:09:00 PM  
Blogger AleeA said...

For the most part, I understand Macbeth Act 2 pretty well. There are only a few things that have stumped me because they just don't make sense. First off, there are so many characters in this book and they all keep popping in at random times. They are also from all over, and I can't keep up with all the places they are from. Do you think that it is really crucial that we remember all the places the characters are from, and if so, how do you remember them? Another question of mine is why was Macbeth given the position of King so quickly? Does the war have something to do with it or is this a foreshadow of how quickly decisions will be made in the future by the characters?
To Hannah J, that was a confusing paragraph. I think that Macbeth's seeing the dagger and all of that was leading up to the actual murder and in a way, describing it as it happened. After the murder occurred, the book went into more detail of what happened so that we had a clearer picture of what was going on.

Thu Sep 14, 10:22:00 PM  
Blogger sarahc said...

Also to Hannah J, Macbeth has a hullucination of the dagger he uses to kill Duncan leading him to the king's room, but, while this is happening, he is pulling out his own dagger. We see that here:
"A dagger of the mind, a false creation, Proceeding from the heat-oppressed brain? I see thee yet, in form as palpable AS THIS WHICH NOW I DRAW. Thou marshall'st me the way that I was going;
And such an instrument I was to use."

Also, to aleea's question on why Macbeth became king so quickly, I believe that he became king so quickly because he was related to the king in some way. I found a website:
http://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/Scotland-History/DuncanandMacbeth.htm
this is an article that says that in the play Macbeth, Macbeth has no legitimate claim to the throne, but in real life, Macbeth and Duncan were cousins, and Macbeth was next in line for the throne after Malcolm and Donalbain through his mother.

Thu Sep 14, 10:41:00 PM  
Blogger christa s said...

To everyone who had a question about why Macbeth couldn't say "Amen" after the people say "God bless us!", I think it is because he knew that the evil thing he was doing was not worthy of a blessing. He knew that something holy and pure like a blessing could not mix with a terrible act like murder.
Also, I have no clue what is going on in the conversation between Lady Macbeth and Macbeth after he murders King Duncan. What does it mean when Macbeth says, "Still it cried, 'Sleep no more! to all the house; 'Glamis hath murdered sleep, and therfore Cawdor shall sleep no more! Macbeth shall sleep no more!'" If anyone can explain anything in their conversation after the murder, I would really appreciate it!!

Sat Sep 16, 08:01:00 PM  
Blogger Aylar said...

I have two questions.
1. Why is Lady MAcbeth regreting that Macbeth killed Duncan when she was the one that pushed him into the deed in the first place?
2. Is Banquo suspicious about Duncan's murder or is he to blinded by Macbeth's friedship and good fortune to see the truth?

Sun Sep 17, 01:24:00 PM  
Blogger Phillips said...

My only question is does Banquo know that Macbeth killed the king, is he even suspicious?

Sun Sep 17, 06:26:00 PM  
Blogger lauraf said...

I think that Banquo is unconsciencely aware that Macbeth killed Duncan. When the witches came to the two men, they prophesized that Macbeth would become king. When the murder happended, Banquo probably remembered the prophecy and figured that Macbeth was involved. Also, that night that the murder took place, Banquo and Fleance were talking about how they could not sleep and that something was not right.

Mon Sep 18, 01:15:00 PM  
Blogger lindseyc said...

Is lady Macbeth all talk and no action? I wonder this because she says she will bash her own childs brains in to rule, but when it comes to her just having to kill Duncan to get that power, she says she cant because he resmbled her father too much. Is she really willing to put her best foot forward, or is she just along for the ride until Macbeth gets caught?

Mon Sep 18, 09:33:00 PM  
Blogger Sarah C said...

Ok, i have a new question. What will it take to stop the murder? Will it take killing to stop killing, or will it just continue on?
I have thoughts on this question as well. Will it take killing Macbeth, or possibly fighting in a war (Malcom building up an army) to stop the killing that seems to me like it will keep happening? Also, WILL there be a war at all?
Secondly, after listening to Hectate and the wtiches speaking. It sounds to me like the whole prophecy was made up just to create chaos. Is this true?

Thu Sep 21, 09:28:00 AM  
Blogger JoanneH said...

Sarah C: Yes, I think that the prophecy was created for the sole purpose of creating chaos.

What is the purpose of the witches? What do they symbolize? Are they real, or are they an underlying imaginarything that symbolizes man's desperation to promote himself only? Or do they symbolize something completely different?

Sat Sep 23, 12:57:00 PM  
Blogger EmilyA said...

Why does Lady Macbeth enforce Macbeth to kill Duncan by using his manliness? Is she just to scared to do the killign herself?

Mon Sep 25, 05:59:00 PM  

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