Thoughts, observations, comments, and concerns regarding our readings and classroom discussions.
posted by annes @ 9:05 AM
Okay, there are definitely a few things that I need cleared up concerning Act 3 of Macbeth. First of all, when Macbeth says "No son of mine succeeding," he is saying that he doesn't have any kids, or sons. Earlier on in the text however, Lady Macbeth mentions that she has, or has had, a child before. Although we don't know that many details concerning Lady Macbeth and this child she speaks of, I have been able to tie the two comments together. If Macbeth doesn't have any children, but Lady Macbeth does, what huge detail of Lady Macbeth's life do we not know about? We know that Macbeth can't be the father, so who is? When the witches were talking to Macbeth and Banquo in the first act, they mentioned that Banquo's sons would become Kings, even though he wouldn't. Do you think that Banquo might be the father of the child Lady Macbeth speaks off? I just found it interesting that each character is saying certain things about their pasts, but these things don't seem to add up.Another thing that has been bugging me concerns the in-class discussion we had today. We talked about how Lady Macbeth and Macbeth's relationship has taken a sudden twist and that they have almost switched places and roles. As I read, I got the impression that Macbeth has gained a lot of confidence since killing Duncan, while Lady Macbeth seems to have lost confidence. I believe that Lady Macbeth lost her confidence after not being able to kill Duncan for he looked like her father sleeping. What kind of memories did the "sleeping Duncan" arise in her and have they had an impact on her confidence levels? Also, as the murderers were preparing themselves to kill Banquo, they reminded me a lot of Macbeth and how he was acting before killing Duncan. They seemed to be trying to reassure themselves of what they were about to do, just as Macbeth did. My question is if this similarity between the characters is foreshadowing what will happen to the murderers and their confidence levels after killing Banquo? Will they stay the same or change as Macbeth did? I know that my questions are open for interpretation, but I would like to know what other students think about these topics.
I was really confused in this act. First, what does "Thou hast it now: king, Cawdor, Glamis, all,As the weird women promised, and, I fear,Thou play'dst most foully for't:" mean? What is Banquo saying?Also what is Macbeth saying here: "Let every man be master of his timeTill seven at night: to make societyThe sweeter welcome, we will keep ourselfTill supper-time alone: while then, God be with you!"?Lastly, i don't get what Macbeth says in this quote. "My Genius is rebuked; as, it is said,Mark Antony's was by Caesar". If anyone can explain, please help me!
Alee, I think that Lady Macbeth might of been talking about IF she had a child she would have bashed its' brains out, but that is a good question. Good questions about the murderers and whether or not they will have the same reaction as Macbeth after he killed Duncan. I think that they won't though, because Macbeth has a lot to lose and he gains being King, while the murders really have nothing to lose and there isn't really a given result other than they think that life will be better without Banquo.
I think that aleea made a good point about the confidence levels of the murderers after they kill Banquo. If Macbeth became more brazen and confident enough after he killed King Duncan to kill Banquo, will the murderers not also become more confident and possibly kill whoever they believe is blocking their way to a better life? Will they assume a bigger role in the tragedy than just murdering Banquo for Macbeth?And also, to answer sarahc's question, in the quote where Banquo says "Thou hast it now: King, Cawdor, and Galmis, all...I fear thou play'dst most foully for't" he is saying, "Just like the witches predicted, you have evrything you ever wanted- to be King, Thane of Cawdor, and Thane of Glamis. But I think you have gotten these things through plots and underhandedness." I hope that helps!
This really isn't an aching question but I was wondering if Macbeth is going to get really mad when he finds out that the murderers didn't kill Fleance? And next I am wondering if he might think about killing Lady Macbeth too because he is starting to keep things from her and I wonder if he is afraid that she will be "wearing the pants in this relationship"?
One of my questions while reading Act III was why Macbeth and Lady Macbeth are all of a sudden acting like they love each other. Macbeth calls his wife endearing names, like "dear wife" and "dearest chuck". That just doesn't make sense to me because before Duncan's murder, Lady Macbeth seemed controlling,cold, and unloving. Macbeth was just a doubtful man who followed whatever his wife said. They just didn't seem like a loving couple.Another question I had was what does Macbeth mean when he says, "...Scarf up the tender eye of pitiful day, and with thy bloody and invisible hand cancel and tear to pieces the great bond which keeps me pale!"?
Lady Macbeth and Macbeth have deffinitely switched places, it really does seem like Macbeth is wearing the pants in the family and i have the same question as paigen... will Macbeth end up killing Lady Macbeth? or will Lady Macbeth decide she wants to be in control again and end up killing Macbeth?I don't really think i have any other questions that havent been answered.
This is for paigen and elyseh.I believ that so far Lady Macbeth prefers to operate in the spotlight so its unlikley that she will kille her husband. I think she likes to control who's in power more than being in power herself.I hope this helps! Again this is my own personal opinon.
With what christa was talking about how Lady Macbeth and Macbeth are all of a sudden affectionate to eachother I think that Macbeth is planning on killing Lady Macbeth since she knows too much already. He also might think that she will break under the pressure. Since Macbethis killing Banquo, will he keep on going and kill everyone in the castle? And since that would look suspicious, will Macbeth eventually kill himslef?I had more questions but they have been answered.
I think that it is really ironic that Macbeth is using the same persuading tools to have the murders kill Banquo and that Lady Macbeth used on him. I also noticed how Lady Macbeth keeps bringing up the "manlyness" issue and still accuses Macbeth of not being manly enought. I also agree with Chrisa in that Lady Macbeth and Macbeth seem to go all lovey dovey on us which has really taken and intrusting turn in the play. I would still like to know what is the deal with Lady Macbeth and all her crazyness. It's getting really wierd.
aleea, i don't think Lady Macbeth is losing confidence. I think MAcbeth has gained so much confidence that it just seems that way because MAcbeth just brushes her off. We never see her do anything about the brush-offs, but I don't think she has lost confidence.paigen,at the very end of the play, a little before MAcbeth sees Banquo's ghost, one of the murderers come back and tell Macbeth that Fleance has escaped. You can read it and gauge his reaction on that.
Okay well i think i sort of know what is going on, but i am really confused about Lady Macbeth. So does Lady Macbeth know anyhting that Macbeth has done or planned at all. Does she even know about Duncan or the murders yet. If Lady macbeth was pushing Macbeth into killing the king so badly and she challenged his manly hood, then why isn't Macbeth sharing anything with Lady Macbeth. Wouldn't he be proud and want prove himself to Lady Macbeth?
tanal: I think that Macbeth has almost proved his manliness to himself. He does not need Lady Macbeth's approval anymore. Sine he killed and is now king, he feels that he is in control and has resolve. He can handle things on his own. The act of regicide boosted his confidence.
What gives Macbeth the courage to say "Be innocent of the knowledge, dearest chuck, Till thou applaud the deed."?
Although I do have questions about Act III so far, im going to wait until we finish the act to blog my questions.
I have one major question:Why didn't Macbeth tell Lady Macbeth about his plot to murder Banquo and Fleance? Does he not trust her any more or does he think he is better than she is?Answering Shauna's question, I don't think Macbeth will kill himself. He worked too hard and sacraficed too much to throw it all away, even if he has nothing left. He is determined, and I think he will fight for power until his death.
I had two questions: Will Fleance kill Macbeth for revenge? Do the witches have any more importance further in the play?
I think that Fleance will kill Macbeth either for revenge or for other reasons. Although Banquo was killed, the prophecy of the witches said that his decendents would become kings. Since Fleance is Banquo's only relative that we know of, he must have to come back into the story in order to take over the throne and complete the prophecy. There is a chance that the prophecy will not come true, but since everything up to this point has fulfilled what the witches said, there is a good chance that Banquo's descendents will be kings.
Why the sudden change in Macbeth's attitude? He is suddenly willing to kill Banquo and now he is the one wearing the pants in his marriage, not lady Macbeth.
I think he changed because of a couple things:1) He has already killed before2) He is king now and likes it, he doesnt want anyone to take his power, he will do anything to keep it.3) I think the killing of the king changed him in a way we cannot describe or really acurately pretend we understand. By taking that leap, by allowing his lust for power beat his morals he has broken down a wall in his mind, maybe its a wall of sanity, a wall of morals, a wall of goodlieness, but what ever it is it is broken and he can now pass from morality, from being a just person to being a ruthless killer, without any struggle. It becomes as easy as going through a door.
Since the murderers weren't able to kill Fleaonce what is going to happen?
Ok. I'm confused. Hoe does Fleace know that Macbeth was the one who planned everything?? Or does he not know that yet? I really don't think that Fleance will come and kill Macbeth because if it were that easy, I don't think that the play would be all that long. In three acts we're had three murders, I think that there will be more happening in the story to know what will REALLY happen. I do think that Macbeth will kill Lady Macbeth though. I agree with the statement that she knows too much already with being with Macbeth. And one more question, Where did Banquo go (before he was killed obviously) and why?
Why doesn't Macbeth seem more worried about Fleance and his escape? What if Fleance recognized the murderers? Couldn't Fleance's end in Macbeth being blamed for the death of Banquo?
I am curious to see what will develop with Lady Macbeth. She seems to be losing the power in the relationship. How will this alter the course of the story? Will she, as some of my peers above have said, end up killed by Macbeth?
I agree with lane--It is an interesting idea concerning Lady Macbeth...It is my personal belief that she will become suicidal and kill herself...Hannahs-I think that the main reason Macbeth is totoally worried about Banqo's son--is because according to the prophecy "Banquo's Sons will be king."A quesion of my own: What is the REAL reason for Macbeth's sudden mistrust of Lady Macbeth?? Is there something deeper than guilt going on here?
Act 3 has been fairly easy for me to understand. The only part of Act 3 that I have a bit of a prediction about is the Macbeth's loss of trust in Lady Macbeth. I believe that eventually both Macbeth and Lady Macbeth will lose trust in each other, and that will lead to hardship for both of them, but it will lead to Lady Macbeth's demise more directly than Macbeth's.
Like Anna D, I can see the loss of trust that has been developed between Macbeth and Lady Macbeth. It seems like instead of letting Lady Macbeth control the sittuations, Macbeth has been thinking on his own instead of letting Lady Macbeth decide for him(as in the previous acts). I also infer that there is going to be some tension between Macbeth and Lady Macbeth as the play progresses. And it also seems that Macbeth is becomming as power hungry as Lady Macbeth has been. Macbeth is being consumed with becomming king and covering up what he has done, and now he has killed Duncan because of what he thinks that Duncan could expose. When will Macbeth stop, and will he be able to stop? Will his secrets eventually come out? Will he come forward, or will he be found out by another character?
I just realized that I said that Macbeth has killed the king and Duncan When I really meant Banquo---Im sorry for any confusion
I just realized something. We talked about why Macbeth feels so guilty about killing Banquo and not so guilty about killing Duncan. Why couldn't Macbeth kill Banquo himself, instead of hiring murderers? Did he not want his friend to know that he was involved in his murder? In a way ithink if he had killed him himself it would have worked better, now he has more people involved,more people who know his secrets.
One question I have right now is what is the purpose of the dinner with Banquo (or whatever it was) at the beginning of act three??
I have a few questions:1)How does Macbeth live with himself after he has talked to Banquo for the last time and knows that he will be killed? Why does greed get in the way of all your morals and everything that you believe in?2)Why does Macbeth at first not want to be part of the "plan" and then later on in the play seem to belive in it fully? What changed his mind into thinking that killing Duncan would turn out to be a good idea?3)If Macbeth wanted Banquo to be killed so badly then why didn’t he do it himself? If he had done it he wouldn’t have to convince other people that it was a good thing to do.
This kind of ties to what elyse was talking about. I think that Macbeth didn't kill Banquo himself because they were friends. Macbeth was able to kill Duncan himself because he thought of Duncan as more of a boss who trusted him. It is different with Banquo because Banquo was someone Macbeth had confided in before all of the witch business, and he felt guilty about killing someone with whom he had had such a strong bond.For adamb's last question, I think that the witches do have a larger part to play in the grand scheme of things because I remember in the presentations we did in the first weeks of school, and one presentation was about Macbeth. I think they said that the witches eventually die, so I don't think their role in the play is over yet.
Okay, today's reading was a bit confusing, at least for me. What is Macbeth talking about when he says, "Come, we'll to sleep. My strange and self-abuseIs the initiate fear that wants hard use:We are yet but young in deed."?Also, what was that whole act with the witches and Hecate about? That really long passage by Hecate really confuses me too; help please!!At the beginning of Act 3, Scene 6, it is explained that a lot of anger is building up in the characters, or something to that effect. My questions concerning this are:Is this a recipe for Civil War?Is this imagery for how the characters are not only at war with each other but with themselves?My biggest concerns are the witch questions I asked above and the one about Macbeth. If you can, help me with these before the civil war questions. Thanks!
For erinl., I think that Macbeth had others kill Banquo because he knew that he wouldn't be able to do it himself. I know that this may not make sense since Macbeth was able to carry through with killing Duncan, but I believe that there was more of a bound between Macbeth and Banquo than there was between Macbeth and Duncan. Put yourself in Macbeth's shoes, would you have enough nerve to kill your best friend? I wouldn't have enough nerve to kill anybody, but especially a best friend!For everyone commenting on how they think that Macbeth is going to kill Lady Macbeth, I agree with you. She just knows too much, and is the biggest threat to him over everyone else. If Macbeth kills Duncan and Banquo who didn't know as much as Lady Macbeth, what is going to stand in the way of him killing her? I think its a recipe for disaster.
Alee, for your first quote, I think that Macbeth means that he is abusing himself and keeps thinking about all that he has done and is realizing the levelof wrongdoing that he has preformed.
Ok This is the 7th time I've tried this.... FRUSTRATING anyway my main question is:when the murderers killed Banquoe, Fleance would have been able to their faces, so when they came back to tell the king the had killed Banquoe wouldn't Fleance have recognized them?
My two questions pertain mainly to the final two scenes of the act. I understand that Hecate is the witch leader, but what is she talking about in that really long passage? I get the impression that she is angry at the witches, but why and what role does Hecate play in the play? I think Smith said that that scene was added years later... Why would Hecate be added there, what is her purpose? My second question is about the final scene. Why will Macduff not return to Scotland? Why is he staying in England to stay with Malcom and the English court? PLEASE HELP!
Earlier there was a question on whether MAcbeth would kill Lady MAcbeth Or he would kill himself. First of all, I really don't think he'd kill his wife when he sort still uses her as a crutch, an example of this is when he sees the ghost of Banquo, and Lady Macbeth covers for him, so he doesn't seem like a total freak.Also, I don't think that Macbeth will kill himself. He has been working really hard to get where he is, and has even killed his best friend to stay at this position, I think he would try to kill his whole kingdom before killing himself. I didn' have very many questions, but one thing i have sort of been wondering is, why is Macbeth not being able to sleep well? eventually won't his exhaustion make him sleep? Does he have nightmares that scar his sleep?
Aylar, to answer your question, Fleance was not at the dinner where the murderer came to tell Macbeth about the murder. I'm not sure WHERE he is though.
I have a few questions about Act III. Why do you think that Lady Macbeth is acting so ashamed of Macbeth when he sees the ghost? Why is she so persistent to cover up for him? Is it because she is embarrassed, or because she doesn't want to loose her appearance of power? Also, why is Hecate never even mentioned before, and then all of a sudden appears, and has a huge speech and rant? Furthermore, why does she scold the witches in such detail, and then within a second just disappear again?
The question that I had when reading was:Why isn't Macbeth more upset over the murderers letting Fleance escape?The whole point of the plan was to kill Fleance because he was the one in the prophecy who was to be king. Also, is this how the prophecy is coming true?I always thought that the witches would tell a prophecy and then on the course of a person's actions it could change, but, because of Fleance escaping maybe it is a way to let Macbeth know that he will not be able to overthrow the prophecy and that whatever he tries to do will not happen. Maybe they are saying that the prophecy will come true, no matter what happens.
Since Macduff was in England, Macbeth thought he was plotting against him. But how come Macduff said no to coming to the banquet?
I agree with lauraf. Fleance is the only relative of Banquo that we know of. To fufill the prophecy he must come into the story again. Unless, does Fleance HAVE to become king? Can it be the descendants of Fleance? The prophecy says that Banquo will be the father of kings, as in kingS. Maybe in the prophecy they are saying that eventually someone from his family line will take over the throne. This isn't necassarily Fleance. This part of the prophecy could come true years from now, or never. Does anyone else have any input, or a different opinion on the subject? I want to hear other people's point of view.
endsleye-Macbeth thinks that Macduff is plotting against him because he is in England, along with Malcolm, who has just lost his land and the country that he should be currently ruling. We know that he is most likely creating an army so that he can invade Scotland and get his country back. Macduff is a great soldier I believe, so he could be a great help to Malcolm in the war. Macbeth was just thinking up these different scenerios for why Macduff is in England, but once Macduff declined the invitation to his banquet, he knew something was wrong. Plus, Macduff hasn't trusted Macbeth since the very beginning of the play. This could be a reason for Macduff joining Malcolm. This is just my thoughts on the subject. Hope I helped you in some way.
First of all chelseah nice vocabulary, and secondly, I think I can help you out on your first question a little bit. Lady Macbeth was embarressed, but I don't think she didn't want them to think she had less power. I think she didnt want Macbeth to go insane and reveal his secret that they killed Duncan and Banquo. And sara, I believe personally that if the witches said Banquo shall get kings that it can only be Banquos son. If the witches didn't say that Banquos family shall be kings or what ever, then I don't believe that will come true. But there is always that possibility like you said.
sarahc, I think that when Macbeth was saying, let every man be the master of his own time, etc., he was basically saying that everyone should go do as they please until 7:00 when the banquet would start. When Macbeth says the quote about Caesar, he is talking about how Banquo was jealous of the prophecy. Mark Antony was jealous when Caesar became emperor.I was wondering what other people thought of the time when Banquo’s ghost left and Macbeth declared, I am a man again. I thought it had two meanings. He might have wanted the lords to think that it meant he was briefly overtaken by the disease, but is back to his normal self. However, maybe it was also met for Lady Macbeth and had a meaning only she could catch. He might have meant it as a more spiteful remark saying that the ghost is gone and also as an attempt to remind her who is the head of the family. I was wondering what other people thought.
adrianag: I was also wondering what that meant. I mean, I thought it might be just that theme that a man can face down his actions, do a deed and not have second thoughts. But by seeing the ghost of banquo, it was his actions coming back to haunt him, and bcause that terrified him, he beleived it was taking away his manly resolve.
What I wonder most now is what Fleance will do. I think if both he and Macduff attempt to overthrow Macbeth, they might even get in each others ways. I wonder if they will join forces, if one will get rid of Macbeth first, or if they will inadvertently hinder each other.
I was wondering where Fleance will take refuge, or if he will even go after Macbeth. What if he doesn't want revenge? Does he even know Macbeth hired the murderers to kill him and his father? Now that Banquo's dead, does anybody know or even suspect that Macbeth killed Duncan besides Lady Macbeth?
I thik that Macduff suspects him--he didn't show up at the banquet, so it would make sense if he had figured it out and could be plotting revenge
Wouldn't people start to suspect things going on with Macbeth when he mentions seeing Banquo's ghost at the dinner table that night?Does Macbeth not trust Lady Macbeth anymore and doe she not want to tell her his plans because he wants to be in charge?
Some people have been asking questions about Macbeth and Lady Macbeth killing each other. I think that Macbeth will eventually kill himself. It seems like his guilt for killing Duncan and sending the Murderers to kill Banquo is slowly driving him crazy. He is seeing things, such as the dagger and Banquo's ghost. The guilt will cause him so much pain and agony that he will take his own life.
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