Fahrenheit 451 Live Blogging 40-68 period 2
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How come Mildred says that the TV walls are her family? Why isn't Montag good enough?
this is a pretty cool book, not gonna lie
I had the question of did Mildred really forget to tell Montag or did she just not want to tell him?
First of all, could someone explain to me the whole tv wall thing. I dont really understand how they are her family, and i dont really understand the parlor. Help please
okay so i was kind of confused when mildred was talking to montag about the "relatives," at the beginning of this section. what are the relatives?
Well, I was wondering what Montag's hands might symbolize, because he is always talking about how his hands act like they have a mind of their own and just took the book without him really thinking about it.
Alee~ Listen to what they are saying right now, and Im sure some of your questions will be solved... also, just pay attention to what we are blogging right now, and by the end i think that it will help you.
The seashell earpeice is a radio that you put in your ear like a earbuds minus the cords.
When Mildred and Montag were trying to figure out where they met, could it be possible that they were just made and put together? Like in the movie "The Island" They have some memories, but they were just created. Could this be like that?
kjerstinl thats what I was thinking. Also doesn't it say that Mildred didn't know who was who in the T.V. walls?
The family i think is a interactive soap opera, she gets to gossip and laugh with the "family" about the "family".
kjerstinl: i think that Mildred is acting like that because there is no such thing as a real family at that time. The TV gives life to everything...I think thats why she says it.
The earpieces may represent the government speaking in your ear and being the only thing that goes into your head.
Kjerstinl-- I think that half the time Montag is gone, so she gets lonely and listtens to the tv walls. I am confused though how the tv walls work. Could someone help me here please?
I definately agree with Phillip...very good point
I think Mildred really did forget, because she is not ver intelligent, and it seems like in this society, there isnt any feeling other than hppiness, or at least thats what they go for. I think death doesnt concern normal people. It was a bigger deal to Montag because he formed a bond with her.
If many of the ideas of the past have been lost, how come the idea of "family" is still around?
why is burning a book such a big, deal? It's just paper, right?
Jess~ I think that the old lady is having kind of the same affect on Montag as Clarisse did. They are both really starting to get to him, and make him question the life that he is living.
tanal and briang~
The parlor is just where the people sit and watch TV. The TV takes up the whole wall. The relatives are the people in the shows that she watches on the TV. She is constantly involved in their "lives" and they are like her family because she constanly spends time with them in the living room.
kjerstin yea that is a cool comment on the island because that is a lot like what i think is going on. this is an interesting book. I wonder what it is going to end up as
I play jokes on my TV obsessed friends by saying: "did you see that new episode of ______?" they insist on hearing what I was talking about, and when I tell them I wasn't actually talking about it, just making fun of them...they get mad because the TV is their savior
The walls are the things that the government can watch the people through i think. It is how they control and watch what the people are doin. For example, at the beginning of the novel it said that a married couple couldn't sleep together and I think that is monitered through the walls.
Thanks Adriana. I kind of picture them as the whole wall as a tv. Does anyone else see it this way?
yeah the parlor walls are just huge tvs that take up the whole wall. i couldn't imagine having a room with walls that are tvs. i think i'd get a headache.
I think that burning the books is such a big deal because everone thinks that the firemen used to put out fires rather than start them. Aslo they don't want the people to learn anything from reading the books. Also many things are made up in the books, so they dont want the people to gain any false information and ask any questions.
The TV has an enourmous part in what society is today. I don't think tha twill change for a good long time...
When Bradbury wrote this book, tv was becoming a huge part of society. This was in the Vietnam era when reporters would come after battles and report to the rest of the nation exactly what was going on and depicting the graphic images of the war.
TV does effect us. Now, you can thousands of channels that can give you any kind of information you want. The weather, the news, sports, history, science, cartoons, everything at some point or another can be found on tv it seems. T.V. is a huge part of our lives. We discuss it, we watch it, we learn from it.
I agree with alee. Books are symbolic for imagination and free thinking and the government doesn't want that.
jessb~
I don't think that if technology keeps evolving we will be all trying to commit suicide and live in a dull colorless world like the people in F451,but I think that we may start to lose all human contact. For instance, you don't even have to go into banks anymore. You can just get your money in a little tube sent out of the bank. You don't have to go into restaurants- you can just go to the drive through. The only contact you get is when the McDonald's worker hands you your burger through the window.
Sara m you have a really good point. when bradbury wrote this book was he writing about now as the future since he wrote the book in 1950's?
Books allow us to think for ourselves, not a screen leaving no open ends. Think of all the really really good movies you've seen: almost all were books first...Silence of the Lambs, book. Lord of the Rings, book. Kinda weird isn't it...
I think that Bradbury had a very bleak outlook at the future. He was warning us that technology would eventually take over our lives.
Bradbury has a creepy sense of what is to come inevitably in the future...
It is amazing that Bradbury could predict the importance of electronics way back in the fifties. Now everyone has a tv, a cell pone and an iPod. These things are integral to our society now.
He does have a really bleak outlook on the future, but a lot of what he said is true today.
etac of lps: I think that that questioin is one that is a theme to all the people in the book except those people who have read them. It is possibly also important to the government. Montag becomes curious about them becuase he used to think that books were just something that they had to get rid of. Now that he has met Clarisse and has seen the woman who read them, he wonders what is so important about the books.
Yea Alex, the basis of society up to the present day have been books. They have been the primary source of education for so long. Look at major religions. The koran, the bible, and other major religous beleifs are written in books.
Bradbury was a pretty smart guy!
I think clarisse's death was probably just more teen violence that she was talking about.
Adriana is right. Right now all the technology is a great thing for our society. Kids are learnihng more with laptops and technology such as the internet.
Sarahc~Im not really sure about Clarisse's death because we don't really know the details about it. We only know that she is dead from Mildred.
phillips~ why have teens become so violent?
I think that there is a tangled gov plot behing the death of Clarrice
When one thinks about it, technology as actually given people more excuses as to why they haven't come up to standards. Oh my computer crashed...my printer was broken...inernet failure. Back then, there was less work to do, so there was less stress. Wit computers you can multitask very easy, increasing work load...I HATE IT
We don't knkow for sure yet if Clarrise is dead right? I mean everyone thinks she ws hit by a car and killed because no one has seen her ar her family, but do we know for sure if she is dead?
kimmyc~
Cowardice is so common in this society because the people are just plain scared of getting caught doing something "wrong" and having their houses burned down. They just kinda want to be left alone and not have to think about anything besides the shallow life of the "relatives".
I have no idea what happened to cause clarrise's death, but knowing ow this society works she could have been murdered for a purpose.
Im with Josh on Clarisses death...I don't think that it was mere coincidence
I agree with adrianag and connord because yes, technology could take over us, but that is only if we let it. We can use it in a good way, or a bad way. Plus,
How does fear play a role in the passage of unjust laws?
Clarrise is very important because she made Montag "see the light". She made him understand how wrong the society is and how he is unhappy.
i find it interesting that this book is banned and it's about banning books. it's kind of a hard concept to think about.
Good point, aleea. Maybe the government had heard about Clarisse and her abnormal way of thinking and observing things and just wanted to get rid of her. Maybe her getting hit by a car wasn't an accident.
I don't books are less inferior, maybe textbooks, but actual fiction books aren't online, Barnes and noble is a huge chain and they're main thing is books.
To saram about the tvs and the books-- I think that maybe not all the people have the tv walls. The people have to pay for them. Maybe the people who have books don't have tvs.
Clarisse is the catalyst that starts everything off...I think Bradbury did the right thing.
Shaun,
Im not sure why the teens are so violent. Is it because they don't really learn anything. They go to school to watch t.v. and everything. And since t.v. is such a huge a part of their life. So it enfluences them.
etac of lps~ people make unjust laws because they think that if there is something out there that may not satisfy other people, then there must be a law banning it so that no one can think for themselves, and so that everyone can be "protected."
Does liberty Conflict with security?
I think the people have books are all getting old, like in 1984, the people who remeber before the revolution are all dead or dying. So i think all the people who have books are all old and the new generation doesn't have books.
Ends~ I see what you are saying, there was a piece on the news about kids who watched that intense cage wrestleing and then they went out to a park and did it and ended up killing eachother. Is this what it has come to?
etac of lps,
I think that people make unjust laws because they are afraid of what would happen if there was too much freedom. I think the govt. is afraid if people were able to think more for themselves and have more power.
sarahc~
Maybe Beatty knows how Montag is feeling because he felt the same way once. maybe he once wondered what was in books and maybe read a few.
ETAC OF LPS: Libery and security are contradictory words...they don't even belong in the same sentence...
To the inside circle, if we are banning things to protect children, then what are the kids going to do when they grow up and they are all on their own?
Shaun~ I agree with you because with t.v. and video games and everything else out there, the things that they show are COOL. well the kids at least think they are cool! and then they are like oh if so and so can do this then I can do it too!
My bad...liberty is spelled l-i-b-e-r-t-y
Here is a connection between the book and our fishbowl: the technology s taking over the people and we don't want that to happen. the techonolgy is a tool for us and we can't rely on it. The ability to talk face to face as in a normal discussion is still important. The people in F451 don't interact much with each other and rely on the technology, which is not always reliable.
To the people who are talking about the government making unjust laws, I think that maybe they are just trying to protect us, but they just don't know the whole story. They might think that on blogs we will put our personal info in it and be suseptible to online predators. What they don't know is how blogs benefit us in the classroom, so they make laws to protect us, but they really might be taking away something very valuable.
Thats weird that it would be banned for swearing. That means that other books would be banned souly for swearing. This is how they censor books, like they do TV and music, they just put it on the banned list, so that they dont have to tear apart the content.
In response to Shauna- We won't be able to think anything... What a concept eh?
I think that liberty can conflict with security, because if everyone has all of the freedom then maybe the country wouldn't be as secure. also it is harder to secure everyone and the area if everyone has ewual privledges and freedom. You can't control everyone and people have an option to challenge the system or get their own power.
etac of lps~ I agree with alexm, that those words do not even belong in the same sentence. People are in control of what they blog. It is just a matter of if or when they will lose control.
aleea~ I agree with that except for the fact that maybe that "transition" period would be the strangest.
I agree, sara m.
Jess- I could ban a book because it conflicts to my beliefs...It wouldnt become famous, but it would still be banned. I could ben Johnny Tremain fro being such a god awful book. Forbes tries hard to make it horrible
I don't think that the people in f451 even know what love actually is.
jess
100% Liberty is chaos. But 100% Security is prison. SInce we want appropriate measures of BOTH, we must have a process to debate the balance so that the interests of the people and the person are both served.
So, I think we should debate these proposed laws, consider safety for children, but don't trample upon the First Amendment unecessarily.
-Dan Maas
kimmyc~
I agree. There is not as much an emphasis on family. Mildred never even wanted children. She is so wrapped up in the lives of her "relatives" that she doesn't even want to deal with having a real family.
Mildred just thinks that their marriage is normal, that everyone doesn't care about their spouse all that much. That they just live together and see eachother before and after work.
Tana- I think you are right... Its like in the Giver when Jonas asks his "parents" if they love him. They tell him that there is no such thing as love anymore
elyseh~ I know! People usually remember that for the rest of their lives. Personally, they seem more like brother and sister rather than marriage because Mildred is more into the parlor and the TV than anything else.
elyse~ she probably doesn't tell because she was scared of being burned also.
Elyse. I agree with you. It was only 10 years ago and they can't remember. My parents have been married for 20 years and could probably tell me every second on the first day they met. And we have computers and cell phones and everything else. They only have the T.V. walls and the ear pieces.
elyse, i dont think she would tell on him because if she did, she would be in as deep as he is because they were in their house. Mildred wouldnt tell so she could protect herself i think.
I think that Mildred and Montag seem more like complete strangers. They know barely know or remember anything about each other and they don't have any real love for one another.
etac of LPS-
you are right... if we called them somthing else it might be better. The term 'liberty' has become to subject to conflict, and its been worn out. If we call it something else it might be better.
alexm-- not anyone can ban a book. I think that you could challenge them though. go to the ala website on challenging books: http://www.ala.org/ala/oif/challengesupport/challengesupport.htm
alexm
Can you explain how a concept like liberty is worn out, as you've indicated? What does the word mean to you? What images does this word create for you?
-Dan Maas
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I just have one question that i have been wondering about... Are the parlor walls virtual or real? Can Mildred interact with them, or are they just like watching a TV? Do the people like come out of the walls, and interact with them, or how do they work??
etac of lps, To give my veiw on your question for alexm on 'liberty' being wor out, I think that nowadays people don't really understand exactly what it means. It is something that we take for granted in the United States. Many interpret it to mean/ include freedom and was something that our country was founded on. But what is it exactly? I think that that is how it has been 'worn out.' We think of it so often as just freedom or something of the like. Its just something we take for granted in America and we are not even sure of what its full definition. I will try to find that definition and will post it.
Definitions of liberty on the Web:
autonomy: immunity from arbitrary exercise of authority: political independence
freedom of choice; "liberty of opinion"; "liberty of worship"; "liberty--perfect liberty--to think or feel or do just as one pleases"; "at liberty to choose whatever occupation one wishes"
personal freedom from servitude or confinement or oppression
shore leave: leave granted to a sailor or naval officer
familiarity: an act of undue intimacy
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn
Thanks to google! (Search)" define: liberty "
Here's a thought I had: It is ironic that we are reading a book about burning books and how technology is taking over society. We keep thinking that this is bad and that they shouldn't burn the books. But then we have the discussion going on about the Laptops and how we won't need paper and how technology is better. Is technology really better? we now use the laptops more and no longer use much paper at all in class and at the same time are reading and disscussing about how books -- paper-- shouldn't be gotton rid of. What do you think? Does anyone else agree with me on how ironic this is?
This book whould be burnt! Montag wants to get laid by Clarisse and shes only 17!
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