Thursday, October 05, 2006

Live blogging period 5

131 Comments:

Blogger HarryPotterFreak(danh) said...

Hi. Let's get this party started!

Thu Oct 05, 12:32:00 PM  
Blogger krump said...

Chang chang!!! lets go!

Thu Oct 05, 12:34:00 PM  
Blogger krump said...

Man, this is one deep discussion...I think the whole reflection thing ties back to appearance vs. reality!

Thu Oct 05, 12:36:00 PM  
Blogger BenH said...

I agree, tom.

Thu Oct 05, 12:37:00 PM  
Blogger Unknown said...

good point Maria

Thu Oct 05, 12:38:00 PM  
Blogger KariB said...

I think she was attached to her father.

Thu Oct 05, 12:38:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

yeah---I think that appearance vs. reality was the whole underlying point behind the whole play----it seemed like everything could be tied back to appearance vs. reality

Thu Oct 05, 12:38:00 PM  
Blogger EmilyLu said...

Thanks lindsey

Thu Oct 05, 12:38:00 PM  
Blogger erinl said...

Do we know if Lady Macbeth even had any children??

Thu Oct 05, 12:38:00 PM  
Blogger BenH said...

It reminds me of the recent school shooting in the Amish community. He did it because of things that happened to him long ago.

Thu Oct 05, 12:39:00 PM  
Blogger krump said...

ya lindsey, they made Macbeth over confident so that they could be sure he will take action and think that NO ONE can undo him. I think this tells us a lot about ourselves as humans, since overconfidence can be the biggest downfall.

Thu Oct 05, 12:39:00 PM  
Blogger hannahs said...

I don't think we can know for sure what happened to Lady Macbeth in her past and for that matter if something happened. Maybe she was always power hungry and the opprotunity given to Macbeth triggered it. Our answers seem to be the same as when we last asked this question.

Thu Oct 05, 12:39:00 PM  
Blogger Unknown said...

Not to be rude or anything but how does Lady Macbeth's past relate to the story and the main themes? Does it actually matter?

Thu Oct 05, 12:39:00 PM  
Blogger Shelby B. said...

I agree with the apperance vs. reality because she says one thing and acts the other.

Thu Oct 05, 12:39:00 PM  
Blogger TyC said...

Lindsey, I think that you are right about Lady Macbeth being all talk and no action. Lady Macbeth is pretty much all about appearance vs. reality.

Thu Oct 05, 12:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It does seem like Lady Macbeth is all talk, with no actions---she never follows through...

Thu Oct 05, 12:40:00 PM  
Blogger Mphair said...

So basically Lady Macbeth has had a bad past...

Did this also contribute to her sleep walking?

Maybe the bullies we are taliking ab out are brothers??

Thu Oct 05, 12:40:00 PM  
Blogger krump said...

erin, remember when she said that she would "bash her baby?" I think that was a clue that she knew from personal experience what a child means to its mother.

Thu Oct 05, 12:40:00 PM  
Blogger KariB said...

She acts like a bully now. She acts like a bully towards Macbeth. She taunts him and questions his manliness.

Thu Oct 05, 12:40:00 PM  
Blogger AnnaD said...

I agree, Ben. That's a very good point. I think that we could do a lot of comparison between that man and Macbeth. Perhaps that's another question for discussion?

Thu Oct 05, 12:40:00 PM  
Blogger Laurab said...

I agree with what Tom just said about Lady Macbeth manipulating other people to do what she wants them to do.

Thu Oct 05, 12:41:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Again---appearance vs. reality----Lady Macbeth wants to appear that she is brave and strong and determined, but really she is scared and is just trying to get Macbeth do do things

Thu Oct 05, 12:41:00 PM  
Blogger Shelby B. said...

I also think if she were a man she couldn't do it anyway, but maybe she could of if her mom didn't take her down.

Thu Oct 05, 12:41:00 PM  
Blogger KariB said...

I think so too, Kenna. She wants to appear tough, but she is really soft on the inside. This ties back to appearance vs. reality.

Thu Oct 05, 12:42:00 PM  
Blogger HarryPotterFreak(danh) said...

Lane, it could relate to the appearance vs. reality theme. Does she want to appear all macho so she can hide that fact that she is hurt from her past? She could want to cover up the reality of her life story by putting on the appearance of being a driven and strong woman.

Thu Oct 05, 12:42:00 PM  
Blogger erinl said...

I agree with that thing about her father. She had to have been hurt emotionaly hurt in her past. BUT do we ever find out if Lady Macbeth had children?

Thu Oct 05, 12:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think that all of Lady Macbeths guilt may be finally catching up with her, towards the end of the play, and she is realizing all that she has caused---and also she may be figuring out that people are catching on to what they have been doing

Thu Oct 05, 12:42:00 PM  
Blogger krump said...

good point zach, how could someone so cruel suddenly feel guilty for something she didn't really do?

Thu Oct 05, 12:42:00 PM  
Blogger TyC said...

I am wondering where her mother and father came into the discussion...I think that when she said that she would have killed Duncan if he didn't look she was just making an exuse.

Thu Oct 05, 12:43:00 PM  
Blogger HarryPotterFreak(danh) said...

Interesting how so much of this story relates to tht theme of appearance vs. reality. Could this reflect something about Shakespeare's life? Maybe he modeled one of the characters after himself.

Thu Oct 05, 12:44:00 PM  
Blogger Mphair said...

Well, LM well, urged Macbeth to commit the murder...Back to Maria k's comment...

Thu Oct 05, 12:44:00 PM  
Blogger lauraf said...

I agree with ty that maybe she just used her "father" as an excuse because she is too weak to actually commit the action

Thu Oct 05, 12:44:00 PM  
Blogger Shelby B. said...

Well what if she was a guy? What would have happened?

Thu Oct 05, 12:45:00 PM  
Blogger krump said...

nice point daniel. Maybe he found himself doing this a LOT and I bet it's hard to stop, maybe the only way to get this out was to write a book to tell us about it...

Thu Oct 05, 12:46:00 PM  
Blogger TyC said...

I don't think that Piggy's Aunt played as big of a role in LOF as Lady Macbeth did in Macbeth.

Thu Oct 05, 12:47:00 PM  
Blogger lauraf said...

Good point lindsey and to add onto that I think that she tries to hide that because she doesn't want others to know she is unhappy and she does that by controlling her husband and having him do what she wants him to

Thu Oct 05, 12:47:00 PM  
Blogger HarryPotterFreak(danh) said...

I think that if she had the same past, even as a guy, the outcome would be the same. I don't think that gender has much of a role in how you think in relation to things that have happened in your past and whatnot.

Thu Oct 05, 12:47:00 PM  
Blogger krump said...

If something happened to her earlier in her life, I wonder if she has ever sleepwalked about that?

Thu Oct 05, 12:48:00 PM  
Blogger KariB said...

Up until the very end, she hid her emotions, as Tom said earlier. I think holding in this emotion ended up causing her to committ suicide.

Thu Oct 05, 12:48:00 PM  
Blogger erinl said...

You know how when people are unconfident with themselves that they try to pick on others? Is that kind of what is happening in the situation with Lady Macbeth and Macbeth? Good point Ayla

Thu Oct 05, 12:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

About Annas comment that their wives may be influencing Macbeth and Macduff----I agree, there can be people who are both "innocent" but after they are around people who influence them---they can be changed and influenced, for better or worse---which may have been the case for Macbeth

I think that if Macbeth would have been a good King if he would have just naturally become king, he would have been a much better one than how he was as a king under his wife's influence and all of this pressure from the witches prophecies

Thu Oct 05, 12:48:00 PM  
Blogger lauraf said...

About LOF i think that having Piggy's name as a symbol is a way to show how he represents the "adult" world

Thu Oct 05, 12:48:00 PM  
Blogger hannahs said...

Macduff and Macbeth seem like complete opposites. Is it odd that the person who kills Macbeth seems to be his complete opposite?

Thu Oct 05, 12:48:00 PM  
Blogger EmilyLu said...

Erin, I agree with you. I also think that Jacka nd Piggy are that way.

Thu Oct 05, 12:49:00 PM  
Blogger Shelby B. said...

Zach-

Would she still be all talk and no act do you think?

Thu Oct 05, 12:49:00 PM  
Blogger Laurab said...

Going way back to Lady Macbeth manipulating people to do what she wants them to do, mainly Macbeth. You have to take into consideration the role women played in Elizabethan times. They didn't have too much power and couldn't make decisions and actions like killing someone. Macbeth is kind of like Lady Macbeth's puppet who she hides behind to go through with what she wants.

Thu Oct 05, 12:50:00 PM  
Blogger Unknown said...

How would LOF be different if there had been girls on the island?

Thu Oct 05, 12:50:00 PM  
Blogger Mphair said...

Actually, not really...i met this one person who was my complete opposite...I really wanted to hurt her...(stuck for two weeks...)

;)

Thu Oct 05, 12:50:00 PM  
Blogger Mphair said...

Actually, not really...i met this one person who was my complete opposite...I really wanted to hurt her...(stuck for two weeks...)

;)

Thu Oct 05, 12:51:00 PM  
Blogger sarahc said...

I think girls would have died on the island because they get tramitizeed ealier.

Thu Oct 05, 12:51:00 PM  
Blogger AnnaD said...

I think we all just had an epiphany! Piggy the boy and the Lord of the Flies? This vague connection between Piggy, representing sense and civilization, and the pig called the Lord of the Flies, representing anarchy and death, is very interesting.

Thu Oct 05, 12:51:00 PM  
Blogger krump said...

hannah, was Jack nothing alike the pig he killed? I thought he was more of a pig than piggy. Maybe it ties back to how opposite attract, maybe you really don't like the person who is similar to you.

Thu Oct 05, 12:52:00 PM  
Blogger Unknown said...

Interesting Sara. I think that girls would be worried about different things and therefore maybe died maybe have been rescued earlier.

Thu Oct 05, 12:52:00 PM  
Blogger krump said...

Maybe inside Macduff was a lot like Macbeth- appearance vs. reality?

Thu Oct 05, 12:52:00 PM  
Blogger Mphair said...

Head on stick...like domination...symbolisim...

Thu Oct 05, 12:52:00 PM  
Blogger KariB said...

Lane, I have a feeling that they wouldn't have turned into savages, but Golding wrote the book to show the flaws of mankind, not the flaws in the different genders.

Thu Oct 05, 12:53:00 PM  
Blogger HarryPotterFreak(danh) said...

Hmm... girls eh? I think that the only difference might be that they would have different priorities. Instead of just wanting to have fun, they might place a little more importance on getting rescued or, as all us guys know, keeping themselves looking B-E-A-Utiful. Other than that, I believe that the girls would act in the same general way.

Thu Oct 05, 12:53:00 PM  
Blogger EmilyLu said...

I think the girls would have tried harder to get off the island. I also think that with girls there would have been less blood. However I think there more emotional scarring becuase girls tend to forget things slower.

Thu Oct 05, 12:53:00 PM  
Blogger erinl said...

WOW if girls were on the island, I think that there would be so much more order on the island. I think (no offence to guys) that girls have a better perspective of what is going on between everyone on the island. I think that everyone would have survived and everyone woud have got along.

Thu Oct 05, 12:53:00 PM  
Blogger TyC said...

Good point, Anna. Does this mean that the Lord of the Flies is Piggy's complete opposite?

Thu Oct 05, 12:53:00 PM  
Blogger Shelby B. said...

With the heads on sticks I think it symbolizes victory and that it stood for power and what was to come.

Thu Oct 05, 12:54:00 PM  
Blogger lauraf said...

Along with Erin's comment girls tend to be a lot more social and that is how they have conflict where as boys have more of a physical relation/conflict, so the if girls were on the island, they would have different motives then to kill the pig and other people.

Thu Oct 05, 12:55:00 PM  
Blogger krump said...

I think if there were girls on the island, instead of tribes, there would be cliques, could that be worse?

Thu Oct 05, 12:55:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

About girls on the island in LOTF---I think that in some ways the girls would be worse off and I also think that in other ways they would be better of

ie. I think that the girls wouldnt have so much of an obsession with hunting---actually I think they might even be afraid to hunt; they would probably just eat the fruit. But anyways, I dont think they would fight so much about whether or not to hunt and keep the fire going------but they would probably have more issues with deciding who was in charge and how to get along with eachother---and they would probably be a lot more emotional about all of the sittuations

Thu Oct 05, 12:55:00 PM  
Blogger Unknown said...

I think it could end up the same but with less blood.

Thu Oct 05, 12:55:00 PM  
Blogger Shelby B. said...

Emily

I think it was metaphorical.

Thu Oct 05, 12:56:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Maria---about the cliques---I do agree that may cause an even bigger problem---because there would be so many different cliques they would all be competing with eachother constantly

Thu Oct 05, 12:56:00 PM  
Blogger erinl said...

At first I thought that the beast was real, now I think it was a metaphor. There wasn't anything to kill but themselves, becuase they were the rea beast that was truly taking over.

Thu Oct 05, 12:57:00 PM  
Blogger TyC said...

I think that the beast was just in everyone's imagination. One example is before Simon was killed, he thought that the Lord of the Flies, he couldn't really be talking to a dead pig.

Thu Oct 05, 12:57:00 PM  
Blogger HarryPotterFreak(danh) said...

Girl's wouldn't be as barbaric?!? I think not. When it comes down to it, girls and boys are both humans. It might have taken te girls a bit longer to turn savage, but I think that after being on the island for that long, anyone would become selfish and it would change from having fun to the thought that it's all about the survival of YOU. Girls and boys both can't resist the temptation to think that way.

Thu Oct 05, 12:57:00 PM  
Blogger AnnaD said...

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Thu Oct 05, 12:57:00 PM  
Blogger lauraf said...

I agree with erin and they might have also used it as an excuse to gain more power and to satisfy their ambition

Thu Oct 05, 12:58:00 PM  
Blogger Unknown said...

How does Roger play into this story?

Thu Oct 05, 12:58:00 PM  
Blogger KariB said...

Is wanting to survive really selfish? I think that is a quality that has allowed the human race to survive over the centuries. I think the line that separates the basic want of survival to being selfish is sort of a grey area.

Thu Oct 05, 12:59:00 PM  
Blogger erinl said...

Yeah girls are just the same or worse then boys. Girls are mean. There might be order at first but there would probably be crazyness later.

Thu Oct 05, 12:59:00 PM  
Blogger krump said...

And also, similar to the boys, there would probably be one or two girls with common sense, but the rest would be totally selfish and try to be the most "popular" or something

Thu Oct 05, 12:59:00 PM  
Blogger TyC said...

When Jack, Ralph, and Roger thought they saw the beast, was that because they expected it to be there? It seems like ever since the beast was first mentioned, their whole life was consumed by the beast.

Thu Oct 05, 12:59:00 PM  
Blogger Mphair said...

I'll epilepsy up in an actual dictionary...it just wasn't unpacked yet so i used my previous Engish teacher's fav. website...

Thu Oct 05, 01:00:00 PM  
Blogger AnnaD said...

Also, there is another relation between LOTF and Macbeth. The pig head on a stick in Lord of the Flies was said to "appease" the beast (Keep in mind that the beast represents bloodthirsiness in humankind.) In Macbeth, Macduff puts Macbeth's head on a sword, symbolizing the offering up of the tyrant to "appease" his own bloodthirstiness.

Thu Oct 05, 01:00:00 PM  
Blogger lauraf said...

Wanting to survive is not selfish i dont think, however, in LOF I don't think that the boys are necessarily trying to survive at the end well at least not Jack. He is just trying to better himself to gain more power

Thu Oct 05, 01:01:00 PM  
Blogger Shelby B. said...

I think the hallucinations stand for what happens with innosence.

Thu Oct 05, 01:01:00 PM  
Blogger erinl said...

I agree with Laura in that the boys are trying to prove themselves and not really trying to survive.

Thu Oct 05, 01:02:00 PM  
Blogger Shelby B. said...

I think it symmbolizes that when we need to survive and we are in our last days we have to take over others.

Thu Oct 05, 01:03:00 PM  
Blogger TyC said...

Good question Maddy. I though that the little boy with the birthmark got killed by the fire, but maybe not...

Thu Oct 05, 01:03:00 PM  
Blogger Mphair said...

While we are talking about characters...

I compared Jack to dictators...he seemed rather like Hitler...comparison to time and war??

Thu Oct 05, 01:03:00 PM  
Blogger HarryPotterFreak(danh) said...

I think that wanting to survive isn't selfish at first, but it can turn selfish. Think about it this way: say that you've been stuck on an island for, say, 60 days. An opportunity comes in the form of a lifeboat that fell off of a ship. It only fits 10 people, and there are 50 of you. I don't think that if you had been on an island for 60 days, you would say, "Oh, I think I'll let you ten be saved and I can just stay here for another couple of months." At that point, it becomes selfish. You would rather have yourself be saved than anyone else. When it comes right down to it, ALL humans are selfish.

Thu Oct 05, 01:04:00 PM  
Blogger AnnaD said...

The last chapter of Lord of the Flies, to me, was the most important one. In this chapter, the boys are rescued. They are consistently referred to as "little boys" and "children." This shows distinctly the loss of innocence, or more specifically, the boys' realization of their loss of innocence. Any thoughts or observations?

Thu Oct 05, 01:05:00 PM  
Blogger erinl said...

Why was Jack so desperate to kill the pig?? Was he trying to kill the pig so that he could prove himself?

Thu Oct 05, 01:05:00 PM  
Blogger Shelby B. said...

I think killings upon killings happens by the brains behind the act, and by challenging.

Thu Oct 05, 01:06:00 PM  
Blogger KariB said...

Tom, that's exactly what I was getting at. As malicious as people may be, I think that's the necessary quality of humans that has facilitated our survival as a species.

Thu Oct 05, 01:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Zach---I think that once a person (Macbeth) has killed a person---he suddenly becomes more comfortable with killing because he has done it before, and therefore---he doesnt have such a problem with it anymore

Thu Oct 05, 01:07:00 PM  
Blogger Shelby B. said...

I agree with Sarah about rationalising.

Thu Oct 05, 01:07:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Zach---I think that once a person (Macbeth) has killed a person---he suddenly becomes more comfortable with killing because he has done it before, and therefore---he doesnt have such a problem with it anymore

Thu Oct 05, 01:07:00 PM  
Blogger lauraf said...

Joanne, i don't think that Jack had anything to do with it at least on purpose. The boys let the fire get out of hand just through ignorance.

Thu Oct 05, 01:08:00 PM  
Blogger krump said...

joanne, I don't think Jack really cared what happened to anyone else. I wonder if he even noticed he was gone

Thu Oct 05, 01:08:00 PM  
Blogger erinl said...

What is why guyes and trying to gain everyones respect? Do you think that girls do the same thing?

Thu Oct 05, 01:08:00 PM  
Blogger Unknown said...

I think that the theme of manliness shows up in both books. Is Jack or Ralph the better chief? Is Macbeth manly enough?

Thu Oct 05, 01:09:00 PM  
Blogger HarryPotterFreak(danh) said...

Here's a weak analogy that relates to getting comfortabe to killing. Remember back to your first dance in middle school. You were nervous to ask someone to dance because you didn't know what they would think. I was DEFINITELY that way. But once your friends convinced you that it was fun and you actually DID it, you became more comfortable and began asking more girls to dance. It's the satisfaction of knowing that if you did it once, you can do it again that drives people to go on "killing sprees".

Thu Oct 05, 01:10:00 PM  
Blogger Unknown said...

Now I feel stupid. Tom what exactly does intrinsic mean?

Thu Oct 05, 01:10:00 PM  
Blogger KariB said...

That's what Golding was trying to get across.

Thu Oct 05, 01:10:00 PM  
Blogger Laurab said...

What I was trying to say, but couldn't quite say it because I forgot... Okay, about the boys offering up the pig's head up to the beastie. When Simon was talking to the LOF (pig's head), which represented the devil and temptation. He told Simon that he should take on the beastie. And then they offer the pig's head on the stick to the beastie. They were afraid of the beastie and they wanted to get the beastie to go away. This kind of was the terrible thing that brought their demise. They have killed the thing that has brought on their fear. But did this make them better? Were they still evil or did their evilness die down?
This reminds me of the places where the people want to get back at their government. They will do anything to get what they want and bring down what they don't like. And once they kill that person or bring down the government, are they better off? Have they gained anything? Now they have no government. What will they do?
Then they have to make up a government and a set of rules LIKE LOF!! And then they want to bring down that government and then they do that and then start a new government. It is just a big circle where, because of human nature, no one can ever be happy, but once they do what they think they should, are they better off? Is what they want better for them than what they were opposed to in the first place?

Sorry this is long, but I can't get in word wise, so I had a lot to say>>> :)

Thu Oct 05, 01:10:00 PM  
Blogger KariB said...

Maddy, I think that's a great idea.

Thu Oct 05, 01:12:00 PM  
Blogger TyC said...

Back to what Ayla said, if Jack was the bad one and he challenged the system and one, and if Macbeth challenged the system(Duncan) and won, does this mean that in order to challenge the system you have to be evil? Do you have to be willing to do anything? I think that Ralph is definitely the good guy in the story, but he is also "The Man." Jack seems like the evil in LOF, but he is also "the rebel."

Thu Oct 05, 01:12:00 PM  
Blogger HarryPotterFreak(danh) said...

Umm... I don't think it's possible at this point to get more than period 2, but we can try. And i just realized that what Ayla just said about cookies is like what I said about middle school dances. Great job Ayla!

Thu Oct 05, 01:12:00 PM  
Blogger Unknown said...

Zach that is exactly what I was getting at thanks for putting it in words.

Thu Oct 05, 01:12:00 PM  
Blogger krump said...

So, laura, when we challenge the system, are we really challenging the government? Maybe on a smaller scale, like if we challenge a teacher. Does it work to challenge something as big as the government? Were either Macbeth or Jack sucessful?

Thu Oct 05, 01:13:00 PM  
Blogger EmilyLu said...

I think challenging the system is in human nature.

Thu Oct 05, 01:13:00 PM  
Blogger lauraf said...

I agree with Emily, and to add on to it people express and challenge the system in different ways

Thu Oct 05, 01:14:00 PM  
Blogger EmilyLu said...

I agree with Maddy's idea.

Thu Oct 05, 01:14:00 PM  
Blogger Unknown said...

Gotcha, Thanks Tom.

Thu Oct 05, 01:14:00 PM  
Blogger HarryPotterFreak(danh) said...

Yes, emiily, it definitely is. People want to rebel against the things they don't like and life, so it is definitely going to happen.

Thu Oct 05, 01:14:00 PM  
Blogger erinl said...

I agree with emily.
If you don't like something you want to go aginst it. It is like human nature.

Thu Oct 05, 01:14:00 PM  
Blogger hannahs said...

Getting use to what we do is a part of being human.

Thu Oct 05, 01:14:00 PM  
Blogger Mphair said...

I don't know...what about those pretty little southern bells, always being taken care of...or the classic princess getting rescued by the knight in shining armor

Thu Oct 05, 01:14:00 PM  
Blogger lauraf said...

riley...does Lady Macduff really influence her husband/leader like Piggy does for Ralph?

Thu Oct 05, 01:15:00 PM  
Blogger TyC said...

I think that as Americans, we look back on the Revolutionary War and think that the Rebels are always the "Good Guys" and the system is the "Bad Guy," but in both of these stories, the system is the good guy.

Thu Oct 05, 01:15:00 PM  
Blogger Shelby B. said...

Well what would happen if you stop, then what would happen? Would they go crazy amitt their guilt or what?

Thu Oct 05, 01:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree Ben---it is almost easier to sympathize or empathize with an individual person---but it is hard when there is so many people---and it is also like when we hear more about deaths, we become more "comfortable" with it, sadly, and we dont think as much about it because we hear about it so much

Thu Oct 05, 01:15:00 PM  
Blogger erinl said...

How do we define who is a good guy and who is a bad guy?

Thu Oct 05, 01:15:00 PM  
Blogger krump said...

that was deep tom

Thu Oct 05, 01:16:00 PM  
Blogger HarryPotterFreak(danh) said...

I agree, Joanne. Also, Jack's pride in being the leader of the choir boys became challenged when Ralph came in. Because of his pride, he can't be lesser than Ralph.

Thu Oct 05, 01:16:00 PM  
Blogger AnnaD said...

The idea of realism vs. over-optimism (Ha! New word!)is very interesting in both of these books. Piggy represents realism, and Ralph represents the over-optimism. When Piggy is gone, Ralph truly realizes the severity of the situation, and he doesn't know quite what to do. In the end of Macbeth, Macbeth has become overly confident in himself, and he has decided that he is invincible. In the end, his confidence is obviously proven to be overdone. What one can tell from these, then, is that without the realist, the pessimist, if I may, bad things are bound to happen. (Now I sound like a pessimist...)

Thu Oct 05, 01:16:00 PM  
Blogger lauraf said...

Good question erin...I think it depends on people's background and their morals

Thu Oct 05, 01:16:00 PM  
Blogger KariB said...

I love how this Macbeth discussion is now pretty much about LOF.

Thu Oct 05, 01:17:00 PM  
Blogger krump said...

nice point erin, is the good guy just someone that we agree with and the bad guy the "mean" one?

Thu Oct 05, 01:17:00 PM  
Blogger HarryPotterFreak(danh) said...

I think we just topped period 2 guys. Nice job!

Thu Oct 05, 01:17:00 PM  
Blogger erinl said...

I totally agree with tom and laura

Thu Oct 05, 01:17:00 PM  
Blogger Shelby B. said...

Erin

I don't know if you can actually define a good guy and a bad guy because eventually everyone can be bad or good.

Thu Oct 05, 01:17:00 PM  
Blogger AnnaD said...

I love it too, Kari!

Thu Oct 05, 01:17:00 PM  
Blogger AnnaD said...

Yay 200th comment!

Thu Oct 05, 01:18:00 PM  
Blogger HarryPotterFreak(danh) said...

Actually that's that 201st

Thu Oct 05, 06:19:00 PM  

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