Wednesday, April 18, 2007

Period 2: The Discussion Continues/The Discussion: Part Deux

Ok all you 21st Century learners, all you system challengers, all you intellectuals....and brian. Here is your blog question:

Throughout the book, O'Brien has become more and more of an instigator of Winston's actions. Do you think he will play a larger role as the novel comes to a close? Why or why not? If he does play a larger role, what will it be?

So there you have it. What's the mystery behind the (for lack of a better word) mysterious O'Brien. Brainstorm.



Declan "Danger" Hughes, Phillip "God of War" Strom, and Adam "Shelton" Barsch

27 Comments:

Blogger alexd said...

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Wed Apr 18, 05:24:00 PM  
Blogger alexd said...

I think that O'Brien will make many visits to Winston during his stay at the Ministry of Love. I think he will play a large role, since he is a inner party member. I think he will be the one who torture Winston.

Wed Apr 18, 05:27:00 PM  
Blogger SarahEChurchill said...

alexd, I agree with your comment. I think that O'Brien has known about everything Winston has done, and just watched and waited for the right time to arrest him. I think he is definitely a devout member of the Party, and will torture Winston in the Ministry of Love. After all, Winston dreams they will meet in the place where there is no darkness, which I believe in the Ministry of Love.

Wed Apr 18, 05:37:00 PM  
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Wed Apr 18, 05:37:00 PM  
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Wed Apr 18, 05:37:00 PM  
Blogger saram said...

I agree with Sarah and Alex. I think that O’Brien will be the one to torture Winston because he is the one that knows exactly everything what Winston has done. Although I do find it strange that he waited for so long to make a move and arrest him. So, I think his importance in the story will grow significantly if he is in charge of such a big job that could change the entire story.

Wed Apr 18, 07:52:00 PM  
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Wed Apr 18, 07:52:00 PM  
Blogger christas said...

I do think that O'Brien will play a larger role. Up to this point, Winston has been doing almost everything for O'Brien-- he wrote the diary for O'Brien, and O'Brien has been Winston's hope and encouragement in his rebellion because it raises his hopes to think that even Inner Party members like O’Brien might be against the Party like he is. Winston also views O'Brien as his protector. So far in the book no one has been as they seem, so I suspect that O'Brien is not who Winston thinks he is, and will play a role in manipulating Winston in the Ministry of Love because of Winston's devotion to him. O'Brien seems to wield a lot of power both in the Party and over Winston, so I believe that he will have a large impact on the outcome of the book.

Wed Apr 18, 07:56:00 PM  
Blogger alexm said...

Well, I think that O'Brien will torture him. Well, actually I know, but I'll pretend I don't. It seems Winston is really doing a lot for O'Brien, more than seems necessary. I'm surprised that Winston hasn't realized this. I really hope Julia dies soon. That would make it so much better. I hate it when a lame love sub-plot is thrown into an otherwise good story. If it's good, great. But this isn't the case. Winston needs other driving forces.

Wed Apr 18, 08:18:00 PM  
Blogger alexm said...

and since when was Declan "danger"?

it should be Declan "Dandelion" Hughes.


ha ha ha

Wed Apr 18, 08:19:00 PM  
Blogger briang said...

I agree with everything that has been said. I do believe Obrien will assume a larger role in the book very soon and I agree that he will be the one to torture Winston. Winston and Julia told Obrien everything they knew and everything they stood for. Obrien knows the most information and because I believe he is a very loyal inner party member, he will torture Winston ruthlessly. Obrien and everything he does also intrigue Winston. Perhaps the way Obrien tortures him or influences him will direct the outcome of the novel. Perhaps there will be some twist or surprise at the end.

Wed Apr 18, 08:29:00 PM  
Blogger KathrynT said...

It seems like Winston veiws O'Brien as a leader and as his connection to the truth, the past, and to peace and a better society. Thus, I think because of O'Brien, more of the truth will be revealed, especially since they will "meet in the place where there is no darkness." This being, as I see it, the place where the whole truth is known. At the same time, it seems that Winston has been wrong about most of the people he meets. If he is also wrong about O'Brien, it will spell danger (or should I say Declan?) for him and Julia.

Wed Apr 18, 08:39:00 PM  
Blogger endsleye said...

I agree with Brian who agrees with everyone. I think that even though O'Brien said that they dont help brotherhood members. I think Winston is a special case and for that O'Brien will come to the rescue. I'm not really sure what will happen though because I haven't read this book before. So don't spoil it those who have. Just like Brian said, there might be a twist at the end.

Wed Apr 18, 08:41:00 PM  
Blogger paigen said...

I'm pretty much agreeing with everyone else, as usual, in that O'Brien will play a larger role. I think that he will kind of take over Julia's part because he has had such an increase in appearence in the recent chapters. I am not sure if I fully trust him or not because Winston's impression of Julia was completely wrong, so maybe his immpression of O'Brien will be completely wrong too. Or O'Brien, Winston, and Julia will be the ones to overthrow the party, it is very hard to predict.

Wed Apr 18, 08:44:00 PM  
Blogger kimmy c. said...

Ok well I definately think that O'Brien has a part yet to play in the book. Orwell hasn't put a single detail in the book that hasn't been repeatedly talked about so I figure that O'Brien is the same way. O'Brien is an interesting, and like has been said "Mysterious" man. He is has a lot to do, like who knows what his job is for the inner party... could he be a spy? I think that is very, very probable.

Wed Apr 18, 08:54:00 PM  
Blogger Hannah J said...

I think that O'Brien will become more of an influence in Winston's actions as the book moves along. When Winston went to his house, O' Brien was naming all kinds of things that he thought would be necessary for Winston to be willing to do (well except for the one about not being able to see Julia anymore..he didn't like that one much). Anyway, I think that if O'Brien tells Winston to jump, he'll say, "How high?" Winston is willing to do anything for the Party, even if it risks his life.

Wed Apr 18, 09:03:00 PM  
Blogger jessb said...

I think that O'Brien played a role of the girl in F451. O'Brien was the one who instigated Winston into rebelling against the government and thinking his own thoughts. Now, it's basically just up to Winston to stick up for himself and for the civilization as a whole. He's kind of in a trap, and it may be hard for him to get any outside help as it is. We were blogging earlier on how Winston wouldn't stand up until he was pressured to do so, this, I believe, is that time.

Wed Apr 18, 09:21:00 PM  
Blogger chelseah said...

Okay this is gonna sound not original, or whatever, but I agree with everyone else. I think that O'Brien will become a bigger part of the story, and especially of Winston's life. Like we discussed today, I think that he is just setting Winston and Julia up, just like Mr. Charrington did, and that he will be a big part of Winston's arrest and all of that stuff. I also think that he has gotten other people to work with him against Winston, maybe even Julia, because they want to catch him in a big act and have good evidence of Winston going against the Party. So, yes, O'Brien will become a big part of the close of the story.

Wed Apr 18, 09:22:00 PM  
Blogger shaunam said...

I agree with what has been said. I think that he has been working with Charrington and setting Winston and Julia up. Winston has told O'Brien all of his plans and everything, so O'Brien has all the information that he needs. I think that O'Brien might do something drastic at the end of the book. But I definately think that he will become more and more promanent in the book.

Wed Apr 18, 09:28:00 PM  
Blogger tanal said...

I also agree with lots of people. I think that as the book progresses that O'Brien will play a larger role in the book. Since he is the one who knows all about WInston and everything he has done, I think he will be the one to torture Winston, as Sara already said. I also think that we will learn more about him and his character, especially what he believes in and who he supports. I think that O'Brien will become a person of higher power, closer to Big Brother and work for the thought police or the government. Since this is the climax of the story, everything could take a turn in this book and go completely different from predicted.

Wed Apr 18, 09:43:00 PM  
Blogger adrianag said...

I will try not to make too many predictions since, like many other people in the class, I've read the book before.

Jessb--good point about O'Brien and Clarisse. It's interesting how some people are influenced so subtly in these books. O'Brien didn't even have to say anything to Winston to seem unorthodox. He seems to have beeen guiding Winston, or maybe following along throughout the book. When Winston is still very isolated and nervous, he gets a dream and a small glance. As he becomes bolder and his relationship with Julia grows, O'brien speaks to him. Winston finally goes to his house at the peak of his confidence. Has O'brien been leading him along, or waiting to see what he would do?

Wed Apr 18, 10:01:00 PM  
Blogger elyseh said...

I think that Winston will start to play a bigger role in the novel as the book comes to a close because he will start changing. There are a couple paths he may take. The first one being death which would draw the focuse onto him more. The second being pure change maybe he will become a true member of the Party. Who knows what will happen, but I deffinitely think that the book is going to focuse greatly on him nearing the end. Reading into the next few pages however, it seems that Julia is slowly dropping from the book.

Wed Apr 18, 10:10:00 PM  
Blogger _annaw_ said...

I think that although O'Brien might be the one that tortures Winston, he will give subtle hints and answers. Maybe this is just me, but I still think O'rian is a good guy...

Thu Apr 19, 06:41:00 AM  
Blogger joshb said...

Well at this point in time, we do not know who's side O'brien is on. He might have set up Winston but he might just have been caught in the middle. Personally, I think much of the rest of the novel will be about O'brien and the part that he plays in 1984.

Thu Apr 19, 07:09:00 AM  
Blogger Kjerstinl said...

I think that O'Brien will have a bigger role since Winston wrote his diary to O'Brian. I think that he will be in the part somewhere when Winston is in jail for thought crime.

Thu Apr 19, 08:31:00 AM  
Blogger adrianag said...

Good point Elyse. Maybe they change people then let them go. Winston did see those old convicts that everyone thought was dead.

Thu Apr 19, 08:32:00 AM  
Blogger connord said...

I think that O'Brien will become a major part of the story. I think that he actually is a part of the thought police and not a friend. It seems to good to be true. They still have not met in a place with no darkness and I have a feeling that that place is not a good place. I bet it is actually a very bad place. Winston is not the best at deciding whether a person is good or bad considering he wanted to kill Julia.

Thu Apr 19, 08:37:00 AM  

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