Fahrenheit 451 Fishbowl 68-91 peroid 5
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I thought that it was wierd that Montag was trying to get Mildred to listen when he knows that she doesn't care. Or does he think that Mildred cares, or does he want her to care??
I think it was simply because she is convienient. She is right there. Some people drink stale milk just because they dont want to go to the grocery store.
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I think Montag knows that Mildred has a smart side and he wants to force it out. Maybe he wants to know he isnt' the only one h=who is "crazy"
I don't think that she is trustworthy. At least I wouldnt bet on her. She may think she can get amnesty if she turns Montag in, because she doesnt love him anyway.
I have a question to share:
The professor Montag goes to is named Faber. What do you think is the signifance of that name?
lindsey
I think Montag would think this becuase he can think this. It is human nature to want people to see things the way they wee them.
emily: I know exactly where the name came from. Bradbury himself said he got it from the name of the pencil he was using. Faber is a pencil making company.
Erin, I think that sometimes people try to see what they want to see, so that's what I think Montag was trying to do.
Faber kind of sounds like Saber. Maybe he is very capable of doing things, if the attention is on someone else.
Sarah, That ties back to te idea of people always wanting to be right.
I don't like Mildred. Why is she convinced that the parlor walls "give her life". Why is she so convinced that they are the only important thing in life.
Congrualgions SarahC, you were the one to correctly predict the things in the ventillator grille.
Maxine kind of sounds like latrine, so I am not sure if that point is valid. Just a coincidence.
I think she appreciates the parlor walls through habit.
I think mildred has been brainwashed by the society so she thinks that the TV is her life.
thanks emilyl
Madison, that gets back to the whole idea that what Montag wants, though he doesn't realize it, is for there to be love and emotion in the world. To him, the opitimy of this loss of love is his and Mildred's loss of love for eachother.
Additionally Faber Casell, makes colored pencils, is there some symbolism to the making of colored pencils, for instance that books open you open to a world of color, especailly in a drab world like 451?
Commenting on Smith's comment of how fear rules a society:
That's why societites run in that way don't work. There is bound to be someone who is strong enough and smart enough to challenge them, and if they can recruit others, then they can successfully rebel.
For Maddy's question, I thnikt the name Faber like Ben said shows subtley shows that maybe in his past, Faber was an author. This is a just a guess.
tom
we are seeing the material things taking over Montag's and Mildred's relationship.
I think that Guy's relationship with Clarisse is better than his relationship with Mildred even though he has known Mildred for 10 years and he only knew Clarisse for a couple of days. I think that it is because he can actually talk to Clarisse and Mildred cares more about her "parlor family" than she cares about Guy.
I thought that the transcripition class were just like classes that were all in text or something like that.
nice emily, i think thats a great idea, maybe bradbury did that on purpose...but what could that say about Faber? Is he saying that Faber is the color in the black world? But Faber seems unsure, and not very willing to fight for what the believes in.
Lindsey, I think that Mildred loves the parlor walls so much because she is able to think that her "family" is real without having to take the risk of them actually being real. I believe that Mildred is self conscious, sad and fearful on the inside. Her "family" is not real, and therefore can not hurt her, so she resorts to them all of the time.
Transcription means to copy. Basically, the trascription class is another mindless class.
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Has anyone noticed that Faber kind of looks and sounds like Father.
I think The colored pencils go back to what I said about the Saber. Faber just needs someone taking attention away from here and then he will become colorful.
Earlier in the book, Montag talks about his encounter with Faber. Maybe Faber was more of a spark in Montag's thoughtfulness and curiosity towards books than Clarisse was.
I agree with Anna saying that she relies on her family because they can't harm her, but I also think that she sees her unhappiness and she know the questions that Montag is asking and avoids that him even though he is her family to because she's afraid he'll bring out more unhappiness.
I think Montag was just overwhelmed by everything that happened in a short period of time. The woman died, he stole a book, he couldn't stop thinking about all the books behind the ventilator grille, Clarisse disappeared, etc.
In answer to Ayla's question. I think part of it, is the fact that he is just like a kid who doesn't want to go to school. If you wake with a slight headache and sore throat, what are you going to do but play it up and hope you can stay home. Yes, Montag is physically sick, but at the same way he just doesn't want to go, and he plays it up.
I agree Ty but I think that Clarisse was a spark to Faber and both to the books.
Does the government actually force all these ideas on society. The only policy that I've seen that they've enforced is the ban on books. Other than that, the government really doesn't have very much presence in this book.
People know how to read because they interact with the TVs. The people just dont know how to comprehend what they read. In society, they jsut recite what they read, with books, you have to comprehend and think about what you read.
Following Kenna's comment I have heard about people that don't get good greades because they are not challenged so they get bored with school. Maybe there aren't stupid people, just people that aren't being challenged...
Good point Tom
maddyg, I don't think that books are the only form of reading in the world. Maybe they still have the tabloids and gossip magazines for people to read, because magazines like that tell you what to think, they don't let you think what you want.
lanec mentioned earlier that faber sounds like father. I already noted it comes directly from a pencil, but it is a pertinent peace of symbolism.
Just as a side note, the Vader from Darth Vader comes from the Dutch (I think) word for father.
ty--I think that when Montag started his job as a fireman, that was preparing him for all the ideas that he thinks now in the book...Beatty even said that all firemen get to the point where they don't want to burn books anymore. I think that each person of significance as individually affected Montag but in different ways.
I think tyc is write. They have the television scripts.
Kari, is it possible that the government is in charge of entertainment?
Erinl-
In response to your first question, I think that Montag talked to Mildred, even though she doesn't care, because he may WANT her to understand. Montag is either in denial that she doesn't care, or se is trying to "teach" her to care.
Ben, I didn't know that. Shweet.
lauraf: the question is, can they overcome that or will they sucumb to it?
zach--is Montag more intellectual then most people, or does he see his true unhappiness and wants to change it?
I think that Montag wants Mildred to care because she does care for her.
Thinking causes unhappiness, and thinking can be dangerous. It breeds opposition./
Lane, do you think that Clarisse was a spark to Faber or to Montag? I guess I don't understand your comment.
I have never read the giver, but the unquestioning masses are somewhat like Orwell's 1984.
I think Montag is just in a position where he can see what his life is like. He may not be any more intelligent that anyone else.
I think Montag is just in a position where he can see what his life is like. He may not be any more intelligent that anyone else.
Ty-She was a spark about Faber to Montag. sorry about that.
Lane, that is a good idea. Since people live by their TV's, therefore if the government controls the TV, they control the people.
Why do the people in this book who know they're unhappy, not want to change the situation-like Mildred, or Faber?
zach--I think the government does not want thinkers because then they can't see their unhappiness and their situation, and therefore not revolt or disagree with the government.
The government doesnt want thinkers because if people thought, then they would have ideas on how to overthrow the government or challenge the system, and the government doesnt want that
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maria
I think the people are afraid of getting everything burned if they fight back. Fear is a very good handicap.
Madison, I think she does interact with the TV on a superficial level. It knows when to say her name, but I think she is mainly just an onlooker.
I think fear is a powerful tool. When people fear you so much, they will not oppopse you. But in this case, the unquestioning acceptance is also a large factor.
haha I never thought of history as learning a lesson from event in history. I pretty much thought that it was all about learning dates and battles in wars. It doesn't seem like we are learning lessons but learning dates and battles.
I have seen many comments on this blog of Montag, being a spark to Faber etc... I think that instead of a spark he is more like kindling. Kindling fuels the fire, but the spark must already be there. Faber already has the spark, Montag just encourages him
emily, I think that it is the other way around. I think Faber is the kindling and Guy gives him the spark.
When Maria says the she is learning to challenge the system, she says it like Smith is brainwashing us. I think she is more teaching us to think freely.
I agree with ty that Smith isn't brainwashing us. I think busy-work brainwashes people.
Along with teaching us challenging the system I think its more preparing us for what mgiht come up in life.
What is the symbolism of "good night, and good luck."?
When was the McCarthy era? I missed that.
tom that doesn't make any sense. Can you please clarify?
joanneh
we aren't being taught exactly how to challenge the system. I think we all come up with different ways to challenge the system.
Joanne...I think that we're not exactly taught exactly how to challenge the system but like we've said, how to think for ourselves and through that comes challenging the system. When we learn what's actually going on or what people are saying, then you can form opinions about it and then if you disagree, you have the knowledge to challenge it.
tom
They may be doing that, but it apparently is not working if you are thinking that.
Off of Michelle's comment revolution genrally starts with the people.
Tom, we may think that some of the stuff we learn may seem pointless to us now, but when we get older we will be glad we learned it.
I just had to throw something out here for Emily... Dates CAN be important in history. Dates can help one understand events that happened due to the thoughts of the time. For example, we all know that the Civil War happened due largely to the idea of slavery. Now, since we know the time that this happened, we can understand that this practice of slavery was generally accepted at the time. If there was slavery now, however, the idea of slavery would take on a whole different meaning.
There are things that need to be known. Such as it is now needed to know all of the states in the order of when they joined the nation, but the important thing is that they joined the Union at all. One does not need all of the dates of all of the wars ever fought in the war, but it is good to know that wars WERE fought, that people dissagreed, and that lives were lost because of them, and families were hurt
AFTER THE FISHBOWL!
I just thought of this so I thought I would add it. Faber Castell, the company the I was blogging about before and the company from which Faber name comes from also is famous for making colored pencils, crayons, etc.. that water can be added to enhance the final porduct. Since water puts out fire, is there underlying symbolism in the fact that the colorfullnes of 451 can be enhanced by adding water(stopping burining books?)
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